[Bakr]

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Originally Posted by KoczkaHUN Yes, it's possible that it isn't a badware. Maybe it is protected with good techniques against hacking into the system. But the point in this, is it came suddenly, which changed a lot of things, and we don't have a reason to trust it. We don't know much about the developers. This thread is just a warning, everyone can decide what will (s)he do. I tried SA-MP live, but it does not work for me, so I don't want to go further in this serious talk. I just agree with the thread starter's argues.

I understand where you're coming from, really, I do. However, just because you don't have a reason to trust an application, or the application MAY have possibilities, doesn't mean you shouldn't use it (not referring to you, in any part of that). You just have to understand, if you applied that logic to every other application you downloaded from the Internet, things like Livewire, uTorrent, Fraps, etc wouldn't be what they are today.

SA-MP Live hasn't had enough time to be proven to be trusted software (to the standards applied in this thread). Give it time, and it'll be such.

[Gamer_Z]

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Originally Posted by Bakr I understand where you're coming from, really, I do. However, just because you don't have a reason to trust an application, or the application MAY have possibilities, doesn't mean you shouldn't use it (not referring to you, in any part of that). You just have to understand, if you applied that logic to every other application you downloaded from the Internet, things like Livewire, uTorrent, Fraps, etc wouldn't be what they are today. SA-MP Live hasn't had enough time to be proven to be trusted software (to the standards applied in this thread). Give it time, and it'll be such.

Fraps is Paid program, you need to pay money for using it.
uTorrent is made by BitTorrent Inc. - that's a company which already earns money on something other.
And I can go on...
Also uTorrent has an 'AppStudio' where you can install shareware games etc... a.k.a. ADVERTISING.

[KoczkaHUN]

Maybe their point is SA-MP Live increases their respect, and they don't (yet) want more.

[edit]maybe they will use this as a reference somewhere.[/edit]

[Bakr]

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z Fraps is Paid program, you need to pay money for using it. uTorrent is made by BitTorrent Inc. - that's a company which already earns money on something other. And I can go on...

And I could go on about all the applications that are free to use and closed source. That would be useless though, as nothing seems to be bypassing your skull.

[Zh3r0]

I'm not using it anyway, can't seem to find interest into it.

[!CryWolf]

Really, I can't find any reason for using it anyway.

[Wanted1900]

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z And I explained that OR the authors are billionairs like ****** (well not billionair but they at least have to get s huge budget or whathever), Or they AT LEAST Advertise something to get at least a bit profit to keep their website up and running

Even large companies like ****** can do all kinds of stuff you don't know about. ****** is collecting personal data to improve advertising results. This can be considered breaking someones privacy. But you can't do anything about it since you agreed to their terms of service.

[cessil]

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Originally Posted by KoczkaHUN 1) Is made by unknown individuals. Is completely unofficial, works with no warranty. 2) Is not Open Source. We don't know what are we installing.

you could be talking about sa-mp and the above reasons would fit in perfectly, you don't know kye personally, and sa-mp isn't open source either.

[AndreT]

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z SA-MP is meant to make money, and closed source.

What is this I don't even...

If you're having so much doubts anyway, continue researching what the application does in that virtual machine. However I think it is something else but being afraid for this community talking in you. The application does look like it has some good future prospects and the developers are most likely just trying to create a little revolution of their own with this application. Further I cannot speak, I simply don't know how the application works or hooks itself!

[Mrkrabz]

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z Sure ANY software can be unsafe, especially Firefox (open source), Chrome (closed source) which are web browsers and can have many vulns to enter your system. Howerver if it gets to security Chrome is just good because it got the ****** team to program it (which are good coders) and FF is open source so anyone can fix vulns. In this case it's Closed source and has VERY many vulns. And yes IF I was the author of SA-MP Live and i did not release the source (but I doubt, I always release) then if it was closed source, sure I'd use it for something behind it's real thing. Like i would just get everyones mac adresses and ban stupid cheaters forever. Also MOST software does not require administrator rights which makes you less vulnerable for most things, and FireFox at LEAST ask users permission for everithing, FRAPS doesn't even auto check for updates.

If you were to know anything about applications, there are plenty of trojans out there that don't require admin rights, heck I have not seen one in a while that needs admin right's to run. Now let's all agree that SA-MP itself is a trojan /sarcasm.

[Deskoft]

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Originally Posted by Deskoft 'experts' have never analyzed sa-mp. WIth that logic I can't even trust my mother. Your apps are detected by the virus because you sometimes do 'dangerous operations', that's the reason ALL the keygens are detected as viruses too. This is the MAIN reason why to trust your anti-virus too, it shows you when the software is doing 'dangerous' activity (and that's why it gives you the possibility not to delete it). Your post has no logic.

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Originally Posted by KoczkaHUN A keygen should work by solving an arithmetic problem. Do you really think a mathematical operation is dangerous?

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Originally Posted by Deskoft Keygens are detected as dangerous softwares, yes. Because anti-viruses are already setup to detect keygens. Again, usually they are detected because they are doing the operations without the users permission. This is what most security developers call as a 'false positive'. Don't try to outsmart people. If you don't know on the topic, there's no reason to post about it.

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Originally Posted by Deskoft That's true (8 of 10 keygens are trojans), and that's why almost all keygens are detected. Even if it's a 'safe' keygen. The troll here is YOU. Keygens hack the software and generate a serial code, that's why it's spotted. I posted my opinion, and you replied to my post now i'm replying to your reply, that's not trolling, sir, that's answering your inquiries.

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Originally Posted by Deskoft They sometimes do require admin rights. And YES they DO hack into the software to check what keys are available, it's not a math operation, otherwise, why don't you just use your head to generate a key? Because it's generated by the keygen, it checks if it's available or not, this also requires to hack the software, for the ones that check the network if that keygen is available. Be sure I won't stop answering inquiries, that's the reason why it's called 'forums'.

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Originally Posted by Deskoft HERE you have, buddy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDeoeJTE0uE Have fun formulating your answer.

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Originally Posted by Deskoft I doubt you are the one laughing here, please take time to watch my video (although that keygen has a virus, it also shows how a keygen works). 'No, they don't hack into any software to check if keys are available'. First of all, if softwares didn't have ways to detect if your key is fake (connecting to a network is an example), yes , you could do that in your head. To create a keygen you need to use a disassembler first, to translate the machine code into assembly code, now that's called Reverse Engineering. Then in the installer's assembly code they check the subprogram, analysing the specific algorithm (like what you said). Then they use REVERSE ENGINEERING with the algorithm to GENERATE valid keys. Now when a software (usually steam-based) uses the internet to check if the key is valid, this now requires a crack. You could see in old softwares how instead of a keygen you found a 'README' with two or three keys. Yes, that's hacking, sir.

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Originally Posted by Deskoft It's highly buggy at this moment, but I bet StrikenKid will fix it soon.

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Originally Posted by Deskoft If you take time to read my reply, you said keygens don't hack the software, after some research, I managed to show you that your statement is false. Yes, I use ****** before answering illogical stuff, like you. I ask again, can you please watch the video before answering?

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Originally Posted by Blacklite If you want to make sure that SA-MP Live doesn't create any extra virus files like that keygen video, then monitor it with process monitor. If your results are valid, post them here. Otherwise, your argument is pointless and off-topic and you should shut up.

Clearly my argument is not talking about SA-MP live.

[Gamer_Z]

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Originally Posted by Blacklite If you want to make sure that SA-MP Live doesn't create any extra virus files like that keygen video, then monitor it with process monitor. If your results are valid, post them here. Otherwise, your argument is pointless and off-topic and you should shut up.

Blacklite I read your posts, and well i will defend my point with this:
Programs which are meant to do something the user doesn't want don't need to run 24/7, let's say you only want to access the sqlite database of firefox. Easy as hell because that even doesn't require administrator rights,

Also It's not just SA-MP Live, I also don't trust many programs like this, or AQQ, or anything but SA-MP live just has all the needed things to be taken as suspicous:
- Required administrator rights <- mainly this
- Closed source
- Downloads remote files <- if you want to require administrator rights then at least don't download remote files

@somebody who posted that steam, ****** chrome, minecraft have those installers too:
Steam is earning money on the games, they can pay hackers to fix issues in their network,
****** Chrome doesn't need Admin rights to install, nor does Minecraft need it.

If it gets to malisious software then yes you don't need administrator rights to penetrate a computer but then you limit yourselft to the application directory and the users permissions, so most maliscious software ask for amin permission before launched so they can access everithing they can.

Well I also had my period in my life where I developed viruses to get a bot network on, but that was a long time ago.
What I want to tell, I know much stuff about viruses and because I know much I can guarantee you that a good virus will be undetected for many many years.

And if it gets to source code, then look at the plugins category, didn't many people spent many time on making plugins? They all release the source because it is something that has to be released but if you don't want to release the source here then don't release it anyway. - Yes that's the point of SA-MP forum if it gets to source code. not my opinion, just a fact.

[Kwarde]

I wasn't planning to install SA-MP live anyway, but thanks for the information.
And erm, do you know that now even more people know this, so that you have more chance on hacking ( I mean, I'd like to do so now, but I'm a noob in that part :P ). You know what? Nevermind what I've said (no, typed). It doesn't make sense at all.

Sirencely,
Kevin

[Gamer_Z]

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Originally Posted by Kwarde I wasn't planning to install SA-MP live anyway, but thanks for the information. And erm, do you know that now even more people know this, so that you have more chance on hacking ( I mean, I'd like to do so now, but I'm a noob in that part :P ). You know what? Nevermind what I've said (no, typed). It doesn't make sense at all. Sirencely, Kevin

Well I don't care because everyone could just come up with the idea to replace some files on a web server with virused ones to infect milion users...

[Blacklite]

Firstly, plugin functionality will not be released specifically for certain servers. This means that all SA:MP server plugins we write for SA-MP Live will be at least recreatable by anyone. There won't be any "special favours" towards servers. However, we may choose to test plugins on one of our servers to make sure it is stable, before we release it.

And anyway, that "SACNR could have a plugin that searches through your user files and deletes all your porn" theory is bullshit because only the installer requires admin rights. The application itself does not need/have admin rights, and therefore could not do the stuff you said it could do.

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z Blacklite I read your posts, and well i will defend my point with this: Programs which are meant to do something the user doesn't want don't need to run 24/7, let's say you only want to access the sqlite database of firefox. Easy as hell because that even doesn't require administrator rights, Also It's not just SA-MP Live, I also don't trust many programs like this, or AQQ, or anything but SA-MP live just has all the needed things to be taken as suspicous: - Required administrator rights <- mainly this - Closed source - Downloads remote files <- if you want to require administrator rights then at least don't download remote files

Only the installer/updater requires admin rights. Originally it didn't need this, but people were getting a lot of "could not write to file" errors, which admin rights fixed.

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z @somebody who posted that steam, ****** chrome, minecraft have those installers too: Steam is earning money on the games, they can pay hackers to fix issues in their network, ****** Chrome doesn't need Admin rights to install, nor does Minecraft need it.

Do you have any idea how much money SACNR makes? We don't need any from SA-MP Live at this stage, but we may monetize SA-MP Live later on if we wish. We just didn't think the money-making part of SA-MP Live was the most important feature, so we have left it out until it is stable. The "money-making" will probably just be in donations, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z If it gets to malisious software then yes you don't need administrator rights to penetrate a computer but then you limit yourselft to the application directory and the users permissions, so most maliscious software ask for amin permission before launched so they can access everithing they can. Well I also had my period in my life where I developed viruses to get a bot network on, but that was a long time ago. What I want to tell, I know much stuff about viruses and because I know much I can guarantee you that a good virus will be undetected for many many years.

<SARCASM>Good to know you're a trustworthy person. We should all listen to everything you have to say.</SARCASM>

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Originally Posted by Gamer_Z And if it gets to source code, then look at the plugins category, didn't many people spent many time on making plugins? They all release the source because it is something that has to be released but if you don't want to release the source here then don't release it anyway. - Yes that's the point of SA-MP forum if it gets to source code. not my opinion, just a fact.

SA-MP Live will eventually have plugin capability. The plugin part of SA-MP Live will be open-source, similar to SA:MP.

[LuMi]

>installer needs admin rights to run

oh no! how could an INSTALLATION WIZARD possibly require admin rights? i mean... it would never try to copy stuff into protected folders like \program files\ wouldn't it? OH MY GOD IT DOES HOW UNGODLY!

>installer automatically downloads the latest version from the online repository so you won't have the hassle to manually update every time an update is released

OH DOUBLE NO! I can't even stand Steam or any other program on my computer updating files!
WHERE IS MY FREEDOM FOR UNECESSARY WORK? SHUN TO YOU!

>the FAQ doesn't mention the silly HDD space requirement in a time where HDDs with 500GB and more are common

WHAT KIND OF HERESY IS THIS? HE SHALL BE CRUZIFIED FOR THIS SIN!

[WackoX]

You're not a really good troll, you almost got me but i didn't felt for it, 0/10.

[Hal]

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Originally Posted by Blacklite If you want to make sure that SA-MP Live doesn't create any extra virus files like that keygen video, then monitor it with process monitor. If your results are valid, post them here. Otherwise, your argument is pointless and off-topic and you should shut up.

I have ran the test, like you said and I can CONFIRM that it does not install any spyware, or whatever that OP troll is saying. If anyone is interested in the log, please PM me as its a log file native to the process monitor. And I don't feel like putting it as a text file or whatever.

[killanator10]

one thing i dont like is that if your driving or flying you lose control right away and cant do nothing untill you exit the menu so if your flying a plane you wuld go straight down

[IceCube!]

LAMFAO Ok Ok Ok, Ive had this ever since I knew about it. Ive had no trouble I had no warnings and its doesnt require you run it as admin...

Also run as admin can mean anything it doesnt mean OH FUCK THEY HAVE SOME FUCKY SHIT its means its needs to have acess to Windows files for example a windows.dll file only on rare occasions it means there is somthing wrong and im sure norton will warn me...

EDIT: Oh fuck they hacked me so not cool!

^^ BTW Gamer_Z dont use that to pursade your aguement because to have acces to remote files it needs to be ran by the SYSTEM user account aswell as your dont treat also you have no case. So i recommend you dont go around spreading crap about his Software