[Scenario]

HIGH SCHOOL -- 1957 vs 2010

Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2010 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2010 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2010 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD.


Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2010 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.


Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school..
1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with a school buddy that has a headache also.
2010 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2010 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2010 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

So... How accurate are these actions? Do you see how fucked up the systems' are these days?

[Marshall_Banks]

Scenario 1:True
Scenario 2: At my school, cops arnt called, students get suspended not expelled
Scenario 3: wtf?
Scenario 4: lol
Scenario 5:true why do they make it a big deal its only medicine?
Scenario 6:Never seen this happen
Scenario 7: I think the worst that can happen is getting the cops called from the neighbors
Scenario 8: dono

[Grim_]

I do not agree with quite a few of these, since you say that things are 'fucked up' now days.

Teachers, or anyone for that matter, should have been allowed to whip/spank/hit any children, or student. Since I know two very close friends of mine who are actually victims of true child abuse, it makes me sick thinking of the kind of things adults could get away with back then. It's like a teenager hitting a newborn baby, you see that wrong, but when a grown man hits a teenager, there is nothing wrong? Of course there is.

However when people get into fights at school, I think the school board should not take things as seriously as they do. At my school, both parties are suspended for weeks (normally 2), no matter who started. They should grow up and understand teenagers are going to fight each other, a beautiful thing called drama, and let it take its own course (Unless of course, it gets way out of hand). One or two fights is nothing big in my eyes, especially since I'm always seen around them (hehe).

Also with scenario five, I was actually suspended from school for taking Benadryl for my allergies. Since I didn't turn it into my clinic office, so I didn't attempt to get 'high' (off of Benadryl.....) in school. It is ridiculous needing to turn it in, since half of the time teachers won't allow you to leave class to go get it. Not to mention, no matter how many times the bottle says "Take 1 or 2 tablets every 4-6 hours depending on your condition", they will always give you 1 per day. Which is the reason I don't turn it in - If I don't take two every 4 hours, my allergies will start right up again.

I also have quite a lot more to say about the other scenarios, but since I'm now tired of typing, I won't explain anymore.

[Scenario]

You make good points, man. I don't agree with child-abuse and actually, whenever my step-father tried to hit me when I was growing up, he'd be the one being "taught a lesson". Anyways... I just thought this would be kind of cool/funny to share.

[iFriSki]

All my answers are based on from what I've seen, or heard from others in my location. I go to Standish, Michigan central high school.

Scenario 1 is rather false, as we had an occurrence at BAISD this year where a young bloke went hunting for some white-tail deer the night before. He forgot to remove his 30-06 and a 75LB compound bow. His parents were called, and his driving privileges have been removed.

Scenario 2 is highly exaggerated. I generally see two-three fights in total a year at my high-school. The one who started is suspended for 5 days, and the one who fought in 'self defense' is given 3. However, if you're in more than a total of 5 fights a year, you're suspended for the rest of the year. Found out after one fight (if you ask me it was merely a fight, Jody (male) slapped me in the end) I was in, while talking to Mr. Fageon, our assistant principle.

Scenario 3 really depends on how severe it is. Usually here, we have a few who joke around the entire time. If they're not bashed into humility by the teacher they're sent to the office receiving a day of in house. If they goof off in in-house, they're kicked out of school for the next two days. Parents are generally called asking them to have their son, or daughter taken to the doctors office and checked for any mental issues.

Scenario 4 is something I'm not positive about, as it hasn't happened here.

Scenario 5 is something I've witnessed before in my own family. Sister took a bottle of Tylenol (or ibuprofen, forget which now) and was caught with them at her locker. They did a complete search throughout all her personal belongings, her locker, and I was told they also searched my locker as well. I know they had me come down to empty my pockets, but all I had was a lighter on me.

Scenario 6 really depends on how ignorant the parents are. If they cannot see their son is not getting it, it's their fault if they don't step in and help. They should tutor their child instead of being ignorant immigrants trying to strike it rich quick. It happens all too often in America. Every day I see stupid idiotic law suits coming up. Reminds me of the kid that moved here last year, rich boy. His dad has a chunk of his ear missing and the boy claims they sued someone - go figure.

Scenario 7 is extremely stretched. I go out daily and screw around with firecrackers, bottle rockets, and so forth. But then again, I do live out in the country side, so to speak.

Scenario 8 Actually from what I've seen, at most, no-one would really hear about it.

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1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

Is something that should have been carried on, as now it appears the entire ghetto stomping (Wonder who started this crap) is taking place everywhere, and fights are meant to be to the death. The morals of others is extremely screwed up, and no-one seems to have any respect.

The fight could be over something as stupid as "He looked at my girl wrong", and you'll see one of them on top of each other not letting off until they're forced to. Now as I was told by my uncle, the fights he was in lasted a few punches, and at the end they went off with their differences once one realized they cannot compete.

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It's like a teenager hitting a newborn baby, you see that wrong, but when a grown man hits a teenager, there is nothing wrong?

Is an extremely bad analogy. After a certain age the teenager knows the difference. He chose to do something stupid, let him face a punishment. Almost all the students here are out doing drugs, breaking and entering, and breaking the law daily. Want to know why? Their punishment is a slap on the wrist at most, with a mild don't do it again Jimmy lecture.

When they were being punished (for a true reason) it's understandable, within reason. They didn't grow up to become complete losers, they learned from their mistakes. Now it's as simple as, for example, Lindsay Lohan. She's had all too many chances as far as I'm concerned.

[cessil]

All of them are false in Australia, it seems like you have a wild imagination.

[Scenario]

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Originally Posted by cessil All of them are false in Australia, it seems like you have a wild imagination.

I didn't write it up, it was an email I received.

[Potassium]

HAHA I love it.

[Celson]

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Originally Posted by cessil All of them are false in Australia, it seems like you have a wild imagination.

Yeah I second that. I couldn't really relate to any of that.

[Grim_]

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Originally Posted by iFriSki Is an extremely bad analogy. After a certain age the teenager knows the difference. He chose to do something stupid, let him face a punishment. Almost all the students here are out doing drugs, breaking and entering, and breaking the law daily. Want to know why? Their punishment is a slap on the wrist at most, with a mild don't do it again Jimmy lecture. When they were being punished (for a true reason) it's understandable, within reason. They didn't grow up to become complete losers, they learned from their mistakes. Now it's as simple as, for example, Lindsay Lohan. She's had all too many chances as far as I'm concerned.

A bad analogy, yes, but I was trying to get the point across rather then let people get the wrong idea.

I don't think I was clear enough with what I said. When I said no one should be allowed to hit a child, I meant for an ignorant reason, or just to do it. I remember my old friend who would get hit by his father, multiple times in the face (he would come to school with black eyes), for spilling orange juice on the table. A spanking on the hind side, or a little push onto the bed to get the point across that you are serious about the punishment, that would be fine, like you said, within reason.

Teenagers do have it off easier now days when it comes to discipline since there are a lot of parents who could give a rat's ass about what they are doing. However, you have to understand it's not all the teen's fault. If you grow up doing something and are never punished for it, you wouldn't stop suddenly. You are use to the behavior and getting away with it. A large part of how someone acts is based on the parents, whether or not they let them act that way. They should just be able to do it in a way that doesn't result in physical contact, since there are always better ways. If it truly comes down to the worse, send them to a military academy, that will get their ass in shape really quickly (at least the academies here in the USA).

I personally would never be seen taking punishment to a physical level with my children, or anyone elses. I believe there are better ways, and they should be taken. Taking away outside privileges, TV, internet, radio, phone and any other electronic devices is always a good start. Leave a teenager in a room over the weekend with only some books and food and water. That will be the last time they will ever do something idiotic, without at least thinking about it first. And if you must ask, yes, I know this from personal experience.

For the record: When I said I would never hit my children, I did not mean that seriously, sense I do not have children. It was written in the perspective as if I did. All of these views are being taken from a teenager, myself.