Is it still worth it? - Printable Version

Is it still worth it? - Printable Version

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Re: Is it still worth it? - Kyle - 30.10.2019

Could you indicate what else will be removed that A.Cole contributed towards?

Re: Is it still worth it? - kennydalglish - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by Kalcor

I did. ShowPlayerDialog

loosely to make gui with html + css + js?

Re: Is it still worth it? - OstGot - 30.10.2019

It seems gangzones and textdraws were also made by Alex Cole. Now let's remove everything... in order to just amuse the ego or what? The only system that is worth it to be cut out (and I agree with DartfoL) is the class system, which use really few people, but even in that case it is better to optionally disable such systems if it's not a new branch 0.4 which could loss backward compatibility. Menus are pretty secondary feature, but still used by some projects. Skins choice are often made via menu because it doesn't block the center of the screen and can be placed anywhere you want.

Re: Is it still worth it? - Tanz - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by thekillergreece

My suggestion still stands, did you read it? Adding a downloader would be beneficial.

Your sphere of influence is very minute. I wouldn't risk being branded a troll if I was you. If you were reading the thread, you would understand Kalcor is not behind the idea of an auto-updater/downloader.

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Originally Posted by DartfoL

1. Remove the class selection system.
It's pretty old system since 0.1 when Pawn API was poor. Almost no one today uses this system as it present. Most of RP gamemodes uses dirty hacks to evade or hide this class selection. Even for classical DM gamemodes you have to use some hacks to combine it with registration/authrization process and, for example, restoring previous player's class from last game session while class selecting. Nowadays SA-MP version have rich functional to implement gamemodes' own class/skin selection system, and native selection system only causes a problems. Well, some functions like DespawnPlayer need to be added, also replace OnPlayerRequestClass with OnPlayerInitialized (because 1'st call of OnPlayerRequestClass means that player fully connected to the server). And yes, backward compability with all existing scripts will be broken, but will be SA-MP sticked to the old system all along?

Yes, class selection is very annoying.

I would also like to ask if the master lists services agreement has been updated to take the following into account?
https://forum.sa-mp.com/showpost.php...62&postcount=1

I know there is a server on 0.3.DL which has implemented the map from Bully, a game by Rockstar. Are other people free to do this (Implement the map in SA-MP) themselves without repercussions?

Re: Is it still worth it? - 0x463 - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by Kalcor

I'm not throwing anything anyway. All I have to do to enable the downloading feature is flip a switch in the compiler.

I'm just not seeing the upside for sa-mp, releasing DL as the main version.

Instead of pointing the finger at me, why don't you guys take a look in the mirror? There are servers that have custom models and new skins, but they don't want other servers having access to them.

So you're fine with me adding new skins and new objects, but when it comes time to contribute something back, nothing. Thus the failure of DL.

Chromium Embedded Framework

Re: Is it still worth it? - Kalcor - 30.10.2019

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle

Could you indicate what else will be removed that A.Cole contributed towards?

He wrote the first cut of the textdraw system, based on text_draw scm. That was replaced by SA-MP 0.2.2.
He wrote the gangzone system. That hasn't been changed since he commit it.
He wrote CallRemoteFunction/CallLocalFunction. I don't ever use these, but some command processors do.

Re: Is it still worth it? - adri1 - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by Kalcor

Do you mean CallRemoteFunction and CallLocalFunction will be removed? That will ruin all modular gamemodes...

Re: Is it still worth it? - niCe - 30.10.2019

I hope you intend to keep the gangzones in SA-MP, my gamemode uses them a lot and this feature cannot be substituted. If they were removed, I would have to stay on 0.3.7 probably.

Re: Is it still worth it? - Kalcor - 30.10.2019

I'm only removing CreateMenu for now.

Re: Is it still worth it? - WestCoast1337 - 30.10.2019

Make it possible in 03DL R2 to replace the gangzone with a picture so that you can create an artificial map on the radar.

Re: Is it still worth it? - K4r - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by Kalcor

Dude if you remove half of those (Y) features will literally break sa-mp.

Some command processors? Almost all use that.

E.G

SetTimerEx ? Every single script?
CallLocalFunction?
SendPlayerMessage?
ForceClassSelection?
Race checkpoints?
Virtual Worlds

?
Per player objects

Streamer?

If Incognito and Zeex can stay by SA-MP's side for so long Kalcor, you can too. https://github.com/samp-incognito/sa...commits/master

https://github.com/Zeex/samp-plugin-...commits/master

https://github.com/Zeex/samp-plugin-jit/commits/master

https://github.com/Zeex/subhook/commits/master

https://github.com/Zeex/qawno

https://github.com/Zeex/samp-plugin-profiler

https://github.com/Zeex/amx_assembly

I think you should consider NiCe as a beta or atleast listen to him if you won't listen to us. He has the best and most promising SA-MP server. His server is literally filled with CreateMenus because his server is single player based and he isn't complaining to you because he works constantly everyday and he can probably change all his menus in a week due to his motivation but you need to look at this guy's dedication, https://www.gta-multiplayer.cz/sk/topic/5855/?page=122

Doing all this might cause more harm than anything...

Re: Is it still worth it? - kennydalglish - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by Kalcor

I'm only removing CreateMenu for now.

Delete is quicker than adding, but what will be newer in 0.3.9? So that the owners of the servers wanted to lose compatibility and use 0.3.9

Re: Is it still worth it? - Romzes24 - 30.10.2019

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalcor

I'm only removing CreateMenu for now.

When are you planning to make an analogue of CreateMenu so that it can be placed on the left of the screen and so that it does not interfere with the review when choosing a skin and when spectating for players?

Re: Is it still worth it? - niCe - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by K4r

His server is literally filled with CreateMenus because his server is single player based

I was limited by only 12 rows could have been effectively displayed with CreateMenu, thus two years ago I've created my own script using TextDraws, which enables using any number of rows, as the menu is scrollable. I might release the script so servers using CreateMenu can keep using the menus.

Re: Is it still worth it? - DartfoL - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by Romzes24

Will you add new dialog style?

Yeah, maybe a custom dialog styles like that:
https://s15.postimg.cc/68iadasrf/sa-mp-195.png
I randomly found this on the outskirts of the internet, ahead of the time I apologize for posting screenshots of hacks

Re: Is it still worth it? - d3Pedro - 30.10.2019

Quote:

Originally Posted by K4r

Dude if you remove half of those (Y) features will literally break sa-mp.

DUDE HE SAID HE WILL REMOVE ONLY CREATEMENU.
fuck sake read the fuck up and stop being weird.

Re: Is it still worth it? - OneDay - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by d3Pedro

DUDE HE SAID HE WILL REMOVE ONLY CREATEMENU.

no he said

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalcor

for now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalcor

I'd like to eventually remove everything contributed by him.

you should

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3Pedro

fuck sake read the fuck up and stop being weird.

Re: Is it still worth it? - Tanz - 30.10.2019

I thank Kalcor for clarifying his current position on removing certain features from SA-MP. However, unfortunately I see that there will also be another split in the playerbase with players being able to choose to play on 0.3.7, 0.3.DL or 0.3.9 servers. I think the effects will be very noticeable if there cross-compatability is not ensured.

Could 0.3.DL ever see custom weapons being added in the future? I know a lot of 3D artists who would instantly release a large amount of weapon mods on these forums if custom weapons were to be a feature.

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3Pedro

DUDE HE SAID HE WILL REMOVE ONLY CREATEMENU.
fuck sake read the fuck up and stop being weird.

Yes, stop being weird.

Re: Is it still worth it? - Romzes24 - 30.10.2019

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Originally Posted by DartfoL

Looks damn cool, I hope Kalcor will definitely add it.

Re: Is it still worth it? - Kalcor - 30.10.2019

Quote:

Originally Posted by K4r

Dude if you remove half of those (Y) features will literally break sa-mp.
Some command processors? Almost all use that.

E.G

SetTimerEx ? Every single script?
CallLocalFunction?
SendPlayerMessage?
ForceClassSelection?
Race checkpoints?
Virtual Worlds

?
Per player objects

Streamer?

Y Less hasn't contributed to SA-MP since 2007 (0.2). There's a history behind everything you listed.

I'll have to make the determination what needs to be removed or redesigned. I wouldn't credit everything you listed to Y Less.

edit:

I think the reason something like this comes up is because Y Less and co are going to try and justify stealing everything from sa-mp based on a few contributions 11 years ago, which is why his contributions need to be removed.