[lolumadd_]

I heard some news before that there was a RP server that cost people money in order to enter. I was thinking of the same thing, and I was wondering what you think about it too.

Advantages to this
1. No dming/rulebreaking/hacking noobs
2. Guarantee of quality
3. Most players would be experienced in roleplay
4. The majority of the players would be older (more mature)
I'm sure the list goes on.

Disadvantages
1. You have to pay, obviously
2. The player count may be low during the first few months

The fee would probably be something small of something maybe $5 per month. You would make an account name, and you would member the account name. Then with that account you can create characters (they will all be membered if on a membered account).

I would probably have a Free 5-day trial, where your access would be limited and you would have a tag above your name saying you are a "Trial Account" to warn players and admins.

Also, in my advantage list, when I stated "quality"....I meant:
1. Loyal and good admin team
2. Good forums
3. Good (unique) script (from scratch obviously)
4. A nice UCP system and other stuff
5. V.I.P system for those with more money

So, tell me what you think about this P2P idea.....

[Scenario]

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Originally Posted by lolumadd_ Advantages to this 1. No dming/rulebreaking/hacking noobs 2. Guarantee of quality 3. Most players would be experienced in roleplay 4. The majority of the players would be older (more mature) I'm sure the list goes on.

Your logic is flawed, big time. Let's take a look at things...

1. Just because people pay money for things, it doesn't mean they will abide by the rules. Let me give you a scenario: You pay $100/month for a web hosting plan and it is clearly against the hosting companies policy to post explicit adult material (aka. pornography). You build a website and begin placing pornography on there, completely against the web hosting companies policy. Your account is suspended and you have just wasted $100.

2. Just because you pay for something, doesn't mean the quality will be as well as described. Let me give you another scenario: You go to WalMart and purchase a set of paper plates which advertise that the contents you place on the plate won't soak through. You put hot spaghetti on the plate, add some meatballs and then top it off with some sauce. The plate's contents soaks through- you are out about $5 for something you saw on an advertising label.

3. Again, anybody can pay money for something with the proper resources. Another scenario: A 13 year old boy comes across this server on the masterlist and realizes he has to pay to gain access to the server. He goes into his mothers purse, takes out her credit card and purchases his slot on the server. He has never role played in his life, yet he has access to the server. Considering the average age of SA-MP players, this would happen quite often.

4. I don't need to repeat myself, this is the same scenario in number three. The teenager gets his parents credit card and uses it to gain access. Just because you can't have a credit card until the age of 18 (in the U.S.) it doesn't mean you don't have ACCESS to a credit card.

I hope you see where your logic was flawed.

[lolumadd_]

RealCop, they will know what they are paying for after they use the 5-day trial. And, if someone does join with no prior experience, it doesn't matter. I'm just saying the MAJORITY of people would probably be experienced. If the person isn't experienced we won't turn him away or anything (take his money). He would eventually learn or we will teach him (part of our quality guarantee )

And to answer another one of your scenarios, if the person doesn't use the free trial and he just automatically buys an account, then he is foolish, he doesn't know what he is paying for. So he cant be mad at us if he doesn't like the server.

And for your number 1, yes, you could be correct. But, I'm hoping that if someone pays money for something, they would follow the rules and would want to play the game correctly(it would be a waste of money). That's like buying a gaming computer and using it to play Pong. A simple three strikes and your out system would do the trick anyways for those people who don't follow the rules. The first two times would be a suspension of your account (it would suck if you payed money and you just got banned), and the third time would be a ban.

I see where you are coming from though and I thank you for taking concern.

[Saurik]

I think it won't get a lot of players to be honest. I mean i had an idea like that before but then i thought it would drop the amount of players dramatically.

[Scenario]

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Originally Posted by Saurik I think it won't get a lot of players to be honest. I mean i had an idea like that before but then i thought it would drop the amount of players dramatically.

You being the owner would drop the amount of players drastically... I don't mean to be rude, but hardly anyone likes you very much...


Anyways, such an idea is stupid! SA-MP was created in order for people to enjoy online gaming for free, not to pay a fee to access a server. Quite frankly, I think that charging money for people to access a server is quite pointless and kind of selfish in my honest opinion.

[saiberfun]

I think this fails.
Who would spend 5$/month just to play on a server?
That way I'd rather play damn WoW instead XD
5$ more per month but I'd get much more.


You just try to make money..
Didn't you think: "Ahh... A full Server(let's say 300/500 Players) that would make 1500$ each month. I could easily live with that..."?

I don't think anyone would do that.

Only thing I could understand would be something like that you take a security(25$ or something) of the players once(which you don't spent) and give them back later when they want to leave. And if they break the rules and stuff you just keep it and ban them.
But that would fail also probably because noone would risk that I guess.

[lolumadd_]

Not selfish if they are volunteering to do it
^And yes, I am trying to make money, whats wrong with that?

[Saurik]

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Originally Posted by RealCop228 You being the owner would drop the amount of players drastically... I don't mean to be rude, but hardly anyone likes you very much... Anyways, such an idea is stupid! SA-MP was created in order for people to enjoy online gaming for free, not to pay a fee to access a server. Quite frankly, I think that charging money for people to access a server is quite pointless and kind of selfish in my honest opinion.

Rofl bro stop going off topic and trying to instigate a conflict. My server had 80+ players and 110 record. Please grow up.

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Originally Posted by lolumadd_ Not selfish if they are volunteering to do it

I disagree. Where does the money go when players register? Surely it goes into a PayPal account and some funds are withdrawn when necessary to pay for everything. Then, where does the rest of the money go? I'm sure the owner spends it like someone with mad cow disease (a little exaggeration, but you get the point).

[lolumadd_]

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Originally Posted by RealCop228 I disagree. Where does the money go when players register? Surely it goes into a PayPal account and some funds are withdrawn when necessary to pay for everything. Then, where does the rest of the money go? I'm sure the owner spends it like someone with mad cow disease (a little exaggeration, but you get the point).

Where does the money that Microsoft makes go? Into Bill Gates pocket of course, just like any business... (besides the expenses needed for the business)

[saiberfun]

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Originally Posted by lolumadd_ Not selfish if they are volunteering to do it ^And yes, I am trying to make money, whats wrong with that?

That it won't work out.
Because you are trying to make money with a free game.
By letting people play on your server.
Which usually always is free.

People simply just will join another server.

Unless you have the most unique and best script ever, it simply won't work out

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Originally Posted by lolumadd_ Where does the money that Microsoft makes go? Into Bill Gates pocket of course, just like any business... (besides the expenses needed for the business)

They probably have more than a server for a free modification.

[lolumadd_]

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Originally Posted by saiberfun They probably have more than a server for a free modification.

I'm just making a point. Although you are right, but I think some people may join the server just because of the sole purpose that you need to pay.

[__]

Unless you introduced every feature that every player asked for - you'd get nowhere. But knowing so, you'd probably get nowhere [with this idea] anyway.

It's also quite unethical from my point of view.

[Haydz]

I doubt anybody would play on your server as when they could get something similar for free on another server. Why can't you just host a server for free? if you want money get off your computer and get a job.

[Haydn]

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Originally Posted by Haydz I doubt anybody would play on your server as when they could get something similar for free on another server. Why can't you just host a server for free? if you want money get off your computer and get a job.

Offtopic: Lol at your name and mine

On/offtopic: Become a ******* partner, People don't want to pay for SA-MP as that type of server would go against SA-MP terms.

[Infinity]

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Originally Posted by Haydn Offtopic: Lol at your name and mine On/offtopic: Become a ******* partner, People don't want to pay for SA-MP as that type of server would go against SA-MP terms.

And HOW does this go against SA-MP's terms? Nowhere in the terms it states that you may not gain money from your server.
Not that I agree with the idea. It will not work. Like said above, why pay when someone else offers the same thing for free?

[ricardo178]

Read the fucking samp rules... They have some propose.
It's agains their rules, using this mod for money proposes.

[tjying95]

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Originally Posted by ricardo178 Read the fucking samp rules... They have some propose. It's agains their rules, using this mod for money proposes.

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You must agree to all of the terms below to use the services of SA-MP.com. Violation of these terms will result in suspension or removal of these services. In extreme cases, your license to use SA-MP and the server software may be revoked. This Services Agreement is only valid to license holders of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and the SA-MP software extension. (a) Attempts must be made to protect players from access to explicit content. If your server contains elements that may be considered only suitable for adults, your server must state this fact to the player when they first join. (b) You may not connect to the SA-MP master list using custom software unless permission is granted by the service provider. © You may not attack another SA-MP server operator by way of bullying, defamation, Denial of Service attack tools, robots or any other means. (d) You may not make defamatory remarks about the service providers, administrators or developers of the SA-MP software or servers. (e) You agree SA-MP.com will not be held liable for any attacks by a third party on your services as a result of being listed publicly. (f) You may not violate the privacy of a player, service provider or server operator by means of exposing passwords or identities without consent. (g) You may not artificially increase your player count or provide false info to the SA-MP query mechanism.

Where does it say that you can't make money with this mod?
If so, your signature is already against their rules.

[ricardo178]

Oh my god... You can't use it to gain money... or better, you can, but not fully.
The player need to be able to connect and play without pay anything....
He can be limited, but be able to be in-game and play without pay.

You can't limite the player from playing.... Only limite him from doing some thing, not all them.

Ex: You can just let player have 1 car or even 1 job, and tehse little things, but not just let him login if he pays.

[Calgon]

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Originally Posted by ricardo178 Oh my god... You can't use it to gain money... or better, you can, but not fully. The player need to be able to connect and play without pay anything.... He can be limited, but be able to be in-game and play without pay. You can't limite the player from playing.... Only limite him from doing some thing, not all them. Ex: You can just let player have 1 car or even 1 job, and tehse little things, but not just let him login if he pays.

You don't dictate the rules of the terms of service. That's not how it works, as long as you're not exploiting the software - then you're fine to make financial gain from servers and whatnot. Which I presume means charging someone to PLAY the SA-MP client, not on a SA-MP server.