admins and owners abuse
#1

Hi.

I'm starting a sensitive subject: server admins and/or owners abuse.
I'm not talking about situations where some kids are unhappy with admins punishing them for the right reason(s) or about hackers trying to get even on the admins.
I'm talking about REAL abuse.

On any server I noticed such kind: admins/owners breaking the rules or, more, creating rules to allow them to abuse players.
They are muting, jailing, exploding, killing with minigun/Hydra/Hunter, kicking, banning sometimes just to have fun or to make normal players understand who has the POWER.
We all know the saying "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". In this case it applies 100%: these admins/owners have absolute power and they are definitely corrupted by it.
In my 6 years on Samp I have seen many such cases.
The last one I saw was on a Stunt/DM/Freeroam server where players bet up to 50K on duelers. The owner broke the rule many times by betting even 1 billion (!) but he banned a player who bet 100K a few times (without breaking the rules, just "bending" them).
That's a classic case of "double standard".

What normal players can do? Actually not much.
The admins/owners abuse is difficult to prove and even more difficult to punish. For that you have to either keep Fraps on all the time, which is impossible for most of the players, or to outsmart them and make them break the rules to record them, which is difficult, because they're smart, of course.
And even with good proofs they are rarely punished. Owners obviously never gets punished. Is their server but still...

So, the only REAL options are to leave the server and/or to never donate to help the server.
But both solutions are crappy. They do not solve the real problem(s).


Any thoughts...?

Later edit:
Forgot to mention: admins/owners can see every server and forum PMs. So, if you want to talk to a friend, you have no privacy using "Private Messages"...
Yes, that sometimes helps admins to track rulebreakers but still, it's like saying the government have the right to read everybody's mail to catch terrorists. In translation: "The end justifies the means".
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#2

Sometimes admins can get bored because there isn't much administrating to do... so they decide to have a little "fun" to themselves by abusing powers for their own amusement. A server with a consistent history of abusive admins should be avoided anyway.
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#3

Oh you get these a lot in PLA, especially from the director himself Brian William. Can't say I've seen this too frequently but I surely have seen admins abusing in roleplay servers, especially the little projects that don't tend to get far. I've seen a lot of irl admins' friends having billions of drugs and selling them each for $10.
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Forgot to mention: admins/owners can see every server and forum PMs. So, if you want to talk to a friend, you have no privacy using "Private Messages"...
Yes, that sometimes helps admins to track rulebreakers but still, it's like saying the government have the right to read everybody's mail to catch terrorists. In translation: "The end justifies the means".
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Originally Posted by JohnMirror1
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Forgot to mention: admins/owners can see every server and forum PMs. So, if you want to talk to a friend, you have no privacy using "Private Messages"...
Yes, that sometimes helps admins to track rulebreakers but still, it's like saying the government have the right to read everybody's mail to catch terrorists. In translation: "The end justifies the means".
Server PMs I've heard, but not forums. Can anyone else actually confirm there are forum mods that allows admins to read forum PMs? If it's true then damn..
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#6

What is the point of this thread?
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What is the point of this thread?
No idea. I thought there was a /q command. Maybe his game doesn't want to quit or something.
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#8

For a second there I thought this was a forum? What's the point of discussing ebola here if you can't discuss anything that is actually related to SAMP?
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Server PMs I've heard, but not forums. Can anyone else actually confirm there are forum mods that allows admins to read forum PMs? If it's true then damn..
There are mods for those in SMF forums, dunno about other forums but I am pretty sure there will be or atleast it is possible to create one.

Regarding the topic, just quit from those servers, if they really want to administrate/own a server, they will learn because people won't really play in servers like those.
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There are mods for those in SMF forums, dunno about other forums but I am pretty sure there will be or atleast it is possible to create one.

Regarding the topic, just quit from those servers, if they really want to administrate/own a server, they will learn because people won't really play in servers like those.
Thanks for the confirmation. Glad I never involved myself in 'low standard' servers, especially their glittering forums.
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