19.06.2013, 20:16
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Prism works so astonishing well, they saved over 20 foreign countries from being target of terrorist attacks!!! Great!
Hm, lets take a minute to analyze that publication. Once they knew there would be an attack, how did they prevent it? Here are some scenarios.
Maybe the terrorists were on american territory. Some officials arrested them then, and everything was fine. Except that proofs aquired from illegal actions mustnt be acceppted by any court, meaning the terrorists got no fair process, they were just put into jail or whatever, which in fact is a crime against humanity. And except that they obviously thought it wouldnt be neccessary to inform the target country that there were terrorists trying to attack them.
Maybe the terrorists were in some foreign country. How did they stop the terrorists then? Did they just send some officials to take care of the terrorists in some way? That would again violate international laws.
Maybe they indeed told the countries about the terrorists, so they could take care of them themselves. What did they tell them? "We got some reasons to think that this guy is a terrorist. Get him."? Or did they tell them about their illegal sources? Neither of these options would allow legal actions in the most countries.
In any way the country itself told their people nothing about the terrorist attacks, and everyone acts like they never heard about prism before.
Drawing a conclusion from this, either USA act like a secret international guardian angel, while commiting huge international crimes. Or all the (20+) target countries gave a shit about telling their people the truth, and even now the involved countries dont say anything about it (okay, that wouldnt be anything new).
Or, my preferred option, prism didnt prevent all these terrorist attacks, and its just some bad apology to make people think better about prism (covering up either incompetent agents or even more secret usages of prism, as some US politicians already said prism is "just the tip of the iceberg").
None of these options is a good one, the only sure thing is that theres (still/again) some shit cooking.
Thats what they can do when following the legal path. Actually they got access to all internet traffic, which includes full phone calls, and are cooperating with certain internet services to get fast access to certain data. All this is not limited to search warrants or foreign communications.
And please dont say we cant trust Snowden. USA wouldnt start an international hunt if he wouldnt say the truth, and most of the stuff has already been confirmed by officials.
Prism works so astonishing well, they saved over 20 foreign countries from being target of terrorist attacks!!! Great!
Hm, lets take a minute to analyze that publication. Once they knew there would be an attack, how did they prevent it? Here are some scenarios.
Maybe the terrorists were on american territory. Some officials arrested them then, and everything was fine. Except that proofs aquired from illegal actions mustnt be acceppted by any court, meaning the terrorists got no fair process, they were just put into jail or whatever, which in fact is a crime against humanity. And except that they obviously thought it wouldnt be neccessary to inform the target country that there were terrorists trying to attack them.
Maybe the terrorists were in some foreign country. How did they stop the terrorists then? Did they just send some officials to take care of the terrorists in some way? That would again violate international laws.
Maybe they indeed told the countries about the terrorists, so they could take care of them themselves. What did they tell them? "We got some reasons to think that this guy is a terrorist. Get him."? Or did they tell them about their illegal sources? Neither of these options would allow legal actions in the most countries.
In any way the country itself told their people nothing about the terrorist attacks, and everyone acts like they never heard about prism before.
Drawing a conclusion from this, either USA act like a secret international guardian angel, while commiting huge international crimes. Or all the (20+) target countries gave a shit about telling their people the truth, and even now the involved countries dont say anything about it (okay, that wouldnt be anything new).
Or, my preferred option, prism didnt prevent all these terrorist attacks, and its just some bad apology to make people think better about prism (covering up either incompetent agents or even more secret usages of prism, as some US politicians already said prism is "just the tip of the iceberg").
None of these options is a good one, the only sure thing is that theres (still/again) some shit cooking.
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Originally Posted by RayW
 With the information we know, it seems as though the actual contents of communications can not be looked at - ONLY if there is a search warrant issued, then the FBI (not the NSA) can get the contents of those communications. Apparently the only thing that is being recorded are call logs (phone numbers being called, duration), and I think I read something about these being limited to only foreign communications? I'd need to check on that.
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And please dont say we cant trust Snowden. USA wouldnt start an international hunt if he wouldnt say the truth, and most of the stuff has already been confirmed by officials.