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So I was browing HRP (Horizon Roleplay) forums, they recently have been getting DDoSed a lot, but I happened to find this thread that was posted on 5/23/2012.

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We were hesitant to release this information but we believe that players here and all through out the SA-MP community should be made aware of these facts -- it is in the interest of the SA-MP community as a whole that we put a halt to attacks against each other. We are all here for the same reason, which is to have fun playing SA-MP regardless of what server that may be on. Server owners should be the first to affirm this and stand opposed to attacks against any SA-MP server. Since an attack on one SA-MP server, is an attack on the entire SA-MP community. That fact is amplified when it is a server owner or server co-owner who knows what it is like to have the fun of your players ruined by DDoS attacks. It is with that thought in mind that we will have to make this information public. We did not want to defame or slander other servers but we have been forced to through the actions of Next Generation Gaming, LLC part owner Nick Phillips (of Next Generation Gaming Roleplay (NGRP)) since it has affected our players directly. We have gathered definitive proof that he is responsible for the DDoS attacks against our server over the last couple of days. It is with regret that we have to inform you that a server's administration with influence in the SA-MP community, a server's administration that should serve as role model for others, is the one responsible for such actions. Not to even mention that the money that was used to finance these DDoS attacks against us was earned on the backs of many admins here who contributed to their growth to great extents and even worse than that is the fact that the attack was practically sponsored by the NGG/NGRP shop/e-store and those who were willing to donate for or purchase (whichever you prefer) items from it. Indeed, it is sad to see what their money is spent on. As Nick's attacks against other servers is not something new -- the rest of their highest administration (the real top that is) is more than aware of these facts as it has happened before in the past. The meeting transcript from Next Generation Gaming, LLC majority owner Devin Clark states "Lastly on the note of HRP, it has also be tossed around that we are attacking them by means of DDOS. Next Generation Gaming has not and will not ever use such means against another gaming community, we have been able to pride ourselves on our achievements that have been won by fair play methods only, with quality scripting and a strong backbone." (Source: http://pastebin.com/48p1vidR - second paragraph) This is false, as the evidence states above, if he lies about this, what else is he going to lying about? We decided to take this information to the SA-MP team immediately without any form of retaliation against nor contact with NGG/NGRP as you can not reason with the unreasonable. Also because the SA-MP forums were target of DDoS attacks by NGG for no apparent reason. We wish to compliment the SA-MP team on their decision to block NGRP from the master server (internet & hosted list) as a result of this evidence. It is one important step in the betterment of SA-MP and hopefully they will no longer attack neither SA-MP nor us. We wish to let this information be public knowledge so everyone is aware of what the administration of the server they might be playing on is doing and what their money is being used for. We found this by going onto the website and requesting a password reset under the email nick@ng-gaming.net (see below) Email Dispatched (screenshot) Then later gained access to his account due to him using a simple password 'nick123'. Account Details(screenshot) He posted a ticket about blacklisting the NGG IP's from the booter. Part 1 Part 2 He paid the invoice on the 'billing@ng-gaming.net' email (where all your donation money goes!). Part 2 With this, it logs all IP's that have logged in so. Login History and then: IP 1 IP 2 (the other two were proxies) His attacks: Attacks You'll notice in here he attacked 4 IPs, 3 of which being our TS and our SAMP server, the other one is... the SA:MP forums. EDIT: NGG has responded denying every accusation and is making the outrageous claim that Abbott was in fact responsible for attacks against the server he has worked on building up for about 5 months now. We could not have expected a more childish reply than this and expected that they would at least have the common decency to admit their wrongdoing. We await the logs to prove their innocence, or rather... their lies. On top of that, are they going to say that Abbott was attacking himself too? Since he was getting attacked by them here (they got his IP through the last IP logins, Abbott was merely gathering evidence), see: And if it is true that they only used this service to block their own IP-addresses from getting attacked, then why is there a subscription for the booter? Or are they going to throw up some lunatic nut conspiracy theory for that too? Did Abbott pay for that too? See: Not to mention the fact that these attacks were over a time span of a couple of days where Abbott worked with many others to try as many things as possible to prevent attacks against our server. Anyone with any sort of intelligence can see what's going on here. Even in the face of solid and conclusive evidence... the truth is twisted by those who do not wish to face it and we are dismissed as liars. The sad part is that many will actually believe this spoon-fed bullshit. Nick has a reputation for this kind of sketchy behavior. Admission of these actions and disciplinary measures against Nick would have been fair enough, but this is beyond anything we expected. Oh and why was it again that Nick's hosting company shutdown about two years ago? That's right -- it was because he was using his servers to DDoS attack other SA-MP servers to which SA-MP responded by blocking all of his server's IP-addresses. The truth is out there for those are willing to see it. EDIT #2: Laying more facts on the table then: In order for someone to believe their story, you would have to believe that Abbott attacked his own server -- not in one instance, but several instances spread over several days and they want us to believe that Nick didn't notice any of this until recently? Despite the fact that there are last IP logins and "my attacks" logs as shown to you in the first post. C'mon now... we're all more intelligent than to believe that. Fact is that as soon as Nick noticed that his account was compromised, he changed the username, e-mail and password. Now even if we ignore all that -- ask yourself this: If Abbott really wanted to set them up then why would he attack his own server? Why wouldn't he just attack SA-MP which would have been enough to make this conspiracy theory half-believable? After all, if his goal was to get NGRP blocked from the master server then that would have been achieved without damaging his own community. Members of this community can attest to the fact that we were being attacked frequently over the last couple of days and there are even bandwidth logs that we're willing to share since we are open to inquiry and will not stand for being accused of being liars. We looked at this very carefully and we even hesitated until we realized this is information that should be public knowledge. We acted in the interest of our players and the SA-MP community and we hope that will not go unappreciated. Bandwidth logs (but I guess they'll just say this is a lie too or it was produced in Photoshop, who knows what junk theory can be made): For someone to use their own IP to log onto a booter to attack SAMP forums and then send the unedited screenshots to them is just an illogical story. Abbott has nothing to hide that's why he didn't bother going on a proxy just to gather evidence, that would be shady. He only edited those screenshots for this announcement because he has common decency not to potentially expose info to script kiddies etc. NGG's announcement merely shows Abbott's IP logging on, but where is the rest of the explanation? Why the hell would they have a booter to "protect our IP's not attack any SA-MP servers"? Who's story is more creditable? We have presented the facts in the form of screenshots, logs etc and all they have done is turn the story upside down against us therefore I submit to you that it is our story that is the truth and as I have said in the past before: Sometimes the truth is cold, harsh and confrontational. EDIT #3: (Edit #3 in the original post): A day after we released this information attacks against us became more frequent than before... now we're not accusing anyone without solid evidence since that would be making conclusions based on assumptions (something our neighbors know a lot about) but I dare say we have the right to question where, oh where these oh so sudden attacks may have came from? Are they going to accuse Abbott of attacking his own server again? Bandwidth logs (as you can see the usage went back up today, it would have been worse but we blocked a good part of it): Not that the bandwidth logs would be needed since once again our players can attest to the fact that the attacks were much more frequent today, but we like to back up what we claim with evidence here. Please also note that the discussion was and continues to be an open discussion here, we allowed for any kind of opinion regarding this to speak out and for everyone to lay out their case with arguments. Something our neighbors have not done. They have slapped dead the discussion by posting a single closed official announcement thread, that denies everything, and it seems an inquiry/discussion thread about who to believe what almost immediately closed. Why is that? What's that saying again? Oh yeah -- a liar always has something to hide. Well, we're not the ones hiding anything so I guess you could say it's a little odd that the story was twisted upside, we were accused of being liars and people actually buy their junk theory. "Science isn’t democratic insofar as the truth is not something we can vote for. The truth is the truth." -- Benjamin Wiker "It is better to offer no excuse than a bad one." -- George Washington The clock is ticking on and we have yet to see the promised evidence that would refute our claims. We have also been informed by sources that the host of this service does not keep logs for longer than 24 hours (they reset it), so we will be looking forward to what evidence will be presented, if any at all. EDIT #4: - Abbott Someone just sent me an anonymous email from a spoofed tech@ng-gaming.net with screenshots of Nicks mailbox on the domain. That is from Tuesday, March 13, 2012 with a 90 day subscription http://hzgaming.net/ngdb/more2.png You see another subscription for 3 months Email headers More email headers. Can't forge email headers.

Full Thread: http://hzgaming.net/forum/showthread...9937#post89937

Now, don't think that I'm trying to make NGG look back...I just want to see what's everyone's opinion on this. Have you ever thought such communities doing such thing on SA:MP, that even the SA:MP team is also concerned.

But have you noticed the owner, Devin, posting this topic? If he's no concerned, why is he posting that YET having less evidence then HRP did?


Now, I just would like a normal discussion on this topic. Not flaming, arguing, etc.

Moderators, please DO NOT remove this topic as no rules are being broken!


I also found this website (can't say it's fully true, some of it is) that you guys can also look at!



So what do you guys say about this kind of activity?