[Toreno]

I didn't say none of these, I meant.. that if anyone wants to seriously learn something, everyone can do that.
In the first time people saw that y_ini, they said... "woah, what is that; what...-;", etc'. They have seen it as hard as a rock. They didn't give it a chance because they are too lazy to replace their other one and learn this one.

I'm not talking specificly to both of you, I'm talking in local.