[Sameer Anand]

Almost on every post on this forum there lies at least one comment about someone's use of grammar, parallelism, wordiness, and / or voice. This thread is intended to stop the arguments about one's use of proper / improper English, and to stop discriminatory comments on age and race. I realize that starting this thread completely contradicts my last point, but keep reading..

Some of you may be thinking that this does not make any sense.

I have gone through most posts in this forum and have listed a select few discussions (from other threads) below in this thread. My intention here is to show that a person, x, who insults another person, y, because of their improper use of English (or their use of English at all) is much worse. All names are anonymous and to be kept that way. Most of the comments below are excerpts from whole posts.

I made sure that I am not demeaning the main idea of any one comment, and what was inferred in the original post is of equal value here.

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Let's Start With Example 1:

So one day, about 2-3 days ago I was browsing a topic about Role Play servers. The discussion was: Learn how to run a proper roleplay server, and manage it efficiently. I came across some remarks to a person's post on the issue. Below are the comments exchanged. This example serves to show everyone the types of comments we REALLY DO NOT need on this forum.

Person X:

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You yourself seem to me like a 12 year old considering your spelling, putting your actions inside of a quotation of what a guy says and pointing out the most obvious things.

Person Y's reply in response to Person X's post:

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First thing, im 16 ,second thing im Bosnian and sorry for my bad english

Person X's reply in response to Person Y's post:

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Well, being stupid is a part of being a kid, I guess.

What is wrong with this discussion? Person X is not only commenting on Person Y's spelling, but he or she is also discriminatory on the persons age. Not all 12 year old kids have horrible English. Person Y is not stupid at all, a fact that Person X seems to contradict. The SA-MP community is full of people from different countries, which makes us all unique and different. Not all of us will speak the same language nor will we all know the proper structure of the particular language. But that does not make us any less smarter, or stupider.

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Example Two:

Person X:

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Your server is destined to fail by those 'changes'.

Person Y's reply in response to Person X's post

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/Sarcasm. But, you will not get far, your grammar is terrible, your spelling is quite bad. The most world-wide spoken language is English, and roughly, 95% of this forum speaks it, 85% speak it well.. (disregarding the bilingual sub-forums).

Person Z in response to Person Y's reply

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ative_speakers go away please

It only takes one comment to stir a negative discussion among two or more people. We do not need this, and to those people being insulted especially do NOT need this. We are one community, and we must learn to work together and get along with one another, regardless of what language one may speak, where one may come from or how old one is.

Many of you that are reading this thread probably own a server, or help run a server with a decent sized community. If you want that community to do well then learn to be considerate to others otherwise people will get angry. Most of you who are reading this point will realize that this is a given fact, but for those that do not, pull out your TI-83 (or use a TI-89; it's my favorite) graphing calculator, graph the trend, and look at it. You will notice that the servers with the population of people who discriminate other people based on those three factors aforementioned are what is causing that downward trend.

I am sure I made my point clear enough. I hope this thread reminded most of you that SA-MP is one community, and we can have equally as much fun without insulting one's use of proper English, proper use of any other language, race, age, etc...

[playbox12]

You bring up a valid point, however I will also try to explain WHY people tend to argue ones grammar.

For example one makes a post about how his server is the best, and that everyone needs to join, you'll get free administrative rights etcetera. Usally this is posted in the wrong section, which could've been prevented if one read the rules. (not to mention the fact those threads are posted in CaPS and colors (sorry, I don't want to BB code the color aswell).

Now you could try to explain that it's the wrong section, he'll simply ignore you, or will start throwing insults. (eventually he'll start insulting in a foreighn language - topic gets locked, and we haven't got anywhere).

What I'm trying to say is, that if you stay in the sa-mp scene long enough, you'll notice ALOT of these threads, it'll start to annoy you - and I am not saying that it's right to insult one for using bad grammer, posting in the wrong section or something among those lines. I am just saying that I think it's understandable.


Let me quickly add to this:

I DO completely agree with your point, and I did not meant to say that I encourage such behaviour. However I don't see the community drastically change. Anyhow I'll join you in getting the point across.

[Sameer Anand]

So in other words you are saying that misuse of proper English grammar, or proper use of grammar in a different language, and seeing that repeatedly tends to annoy people, which causes them to throw insults? Though, if that is the case, that is something that should be fixed.

[playbox12]

I edited my post, and I agree that such thing has to be changed. I just don't think it will, any(most) forums has these problems, they all act on it the same; continous flaming will get you banned, topics with flame wars will get locked.

[Hiddos]

Or just get the mods to start banning people who start flamewars. In my opinion, that doesn't happen frequent enough.

[AleXandeR[SRB]]

Well,you have a couple of points there:
-Grammar misspell;
-Age discrimination;
BUT,one player had a point there:If you don`t care about your grammar,you will not look professional,and players that play on your server will not respect you(if you are a owner).If you are a player,same goes.That`s a fact.BUT,players SHOULD be tolerant,not annoyed by it.
About age discrimination:Everyone in their life heard "You are still a kid".Same goes here(imagine every kid opening up a server? We would end up with more servers than players!).BUT,no one should get insults because of the age.
This all is just my opinion.

[Mark_Weston]

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Originally Posted by AleXandeR[SRB] Well,you have a couple of points there: -Grammar misspell; -Age discrimination; BUT,one player had a point there:If you don`t care about your grammar,you will not look professional,and players that play on your server will not respect you(if you are a owner).If you are a player,same goes.That`s a fact.BUT,players SHOULD be tolerant,not annoyed by it. About age discrimination:Everyone in their life heard "You are still a kid".Same goes here(imagine every kid opening up a server? We would end up with more servers than players!).BUT,no one should get insults because of the age. This all is just my opinion.

Hmmm, doesn't look like that you tried to be professional in the post. xD

but still, people shouldn't make fun of each others grammar etc. Mine isn't the best and not the worst.

[Elorreli]

This is human nature, we just love to fight and provoke.

[SMX]

Join date: September 2011, 6 posts.
I don't get why you don't post this with your main forum account, it's a good topic and would give you some good credit...

[Sameer Anand]

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Originally Posted by SMX Join date: September 2011, 6 posts. I don't get why you don't post this with your main forum account, it's a good topic and would give you some good credit...

I'm not sure what you mean.. This is my only and first forum account.